Mastering Fear and Embracing Abundance: Insights from David Meltzer on the BHP Podcast

Join Jason Tharp and special guest David Meltzer on the BHP Podcast as they delve into powerful strategies for mastering fear, embracing abundance, and living a life filled with hope and gratitude. David shares his personal journey, offering practical advice on self-honesty, the power of giving, and the importance of repetitive learning for personal growth. Tune in to discover how you can transform challenges into opportunities for growth and empowerment.

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Transcript

every time I'm worried or angry or

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frustrated or offended it's instant and

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obvious I'm just going to work on not

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being that way and getting back to

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Center so that I can enjoy the

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omniscient all powerful and all knowing

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uh that I'm part and parcel to and I'm

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going to stop trying to discover

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sometimes something that's uh incapable

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of discovering uh instead I'm just going

0:24

to go with the obvious in the instant my

0:26

reaction to fear and dissipate the

0:29

amount of time I SP in the reaction to

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fear and so for me that practice has

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evolved where I have this uh attraction

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you can call it I also have a perception

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I also have a responsibility equating up

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into a an accountability in my life to

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be in control of it by being in control

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of the amount of time that I spend

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reacting to fear and I spend less time

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reacting to fear than most human beings

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therefore I have more information more

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energy more light more lessons and more

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love than most

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[Music]

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people hey guys welcome to the beyond

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help project podcast my name is Jason

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Tharp and I am extremely excited to

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invite this next guest on uh who's going

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to drop some knowledge on you guys that

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are really going to help uh have an

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impact and bring hope to your life uh in

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all forms and uh that is uh David

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Meltzer um if you don't know who he is

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uh you should you know look him up uh

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you can pretty much find him everywhere

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um and you know I will say before we

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jump in here I just want to uh just say

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one thing about David thei um other than

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being a guy from Ohio which is amazing

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is that I've sat with Dave um in three

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four different occasions and unlike a

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lot of other online people personalities

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that I have met this dude is 100%

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genuine all the time and um even when

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people aren't around all it so to me

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this is like this is pure knowledge pure

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like love pure all of these things that

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we're all looking for in life and I just

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really hope that you guys all listen to

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what uh Dave has to uh to say about all

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this stuff because I think it's going to

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be pretty amazing so David thank you so

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much for taking some time out to join us

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here um how's life

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going it's going extremely well I would

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say is amazing as an understatement uh I

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am on Quest and understanding through my

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core values and it just goes through

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different seasons of Enlightenment when

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I say Enlightenment I'm talking about uh

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being consistent in paying attention and

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giving attention to what I want to learn

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and uh that consistency allows for the

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peeling of different layers of awareness

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epidermis uh and I have learned through

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even since I saw you last how important

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it is to be annoying to to myself um

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it's easy to be annoying to other with

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the qualities and characteristics that

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I'm going to discuss of how I'm annoying

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to myself but there's two things that

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really stand out uh since we saw each

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other last that have marketly made a

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difference in peeling away the epidermis

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of awareness and one is a quest that

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I've been on which is to be honest uh to

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myself but without being hard on myself

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and I've never put those two together

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before that I've always been on a quest

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to be as honest as I can and in radical

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humility realizing that within the

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context of human nature I'm a liar

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cheater manipulator over seller and

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backend seller at a Quantum level so I

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really have to work at it uh but I never

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realized that what comes along with

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being honest with ourselves is being

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hard on ourselves and we can counteract

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all the goodness that's created by being

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honest with ourselves if we don't

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utilize forgiveness alongside the

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gratitude that it takes to be honest

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with ourselves in order to effectuate

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more ease and implementing that honesty

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and then the second thing which you know

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is a love language of yours and mine uh

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which is you have to be repetitive with

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yourself uh and so don't give yourself

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too much credit uh that you're going to

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learn the first time you got to

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keep reading something a hundred times

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in a row I've done for example nine

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years of reading the cor of Miracles

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every day or Napoleon Hill or Dr Wayne

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Dy or several of my favorites now I'm

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also added Walter Isaacson in there so

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uh I'm here to help people be annoying

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to themselves to be honest with

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themselves but not hard on themselves

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and be repetitive which is super

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annoying as well yeah well you know

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that's a great segue because I think you

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kind of answered the question but I also

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I want to I want to dig a little further

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than that so how I Define hope is an

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impact point so it's the point to get

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just started and it also is when you

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start down that path and you ultimately

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fail hope is the way that helps you back

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there so I I Define a little different

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than what the traditional way is so the

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question is is like if you could go back

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in time at any point in your life and

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give yourself hope with that definition

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like what would that look like and how

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like what piece of advice would you give

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that that moment to what you know now

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uh

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yeah I I think it would happen when my

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wife uh told me she was leaving me um

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I think it would have helped me to

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understand uh hope as you define it um

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and also the advice I would have given

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myself uh not just to take stock in who

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I was and what I wanted to become which

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was the advice my wife gave me that

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ultimately saved my life and saved my

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marriage uh but it's ask for help um I

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think within the context of Hope is

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faith faith that there's an all- knowing

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and omniscient more than enough of

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everything for everyone and until we

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have that hope or faith that there's

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more than enough of every for everyone

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we'll never feel comfortable that asking

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for help is a action or an activity of

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value ad that it's not a negotiation or

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a trade when we ask for help and the

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fastest and easiest way to get to where

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we want to be and utilize that hope and

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utilize that faith

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is to Simply identify uh who it is that

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holds the directions to where we want to

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be and ask them to help us and that

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would be for me the moment that I needed

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the most hope and the most Faith uh the

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moment in which I wish I would have

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clicked on what I believe today 17 years

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later is to find people like you to

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surround myself people like you that sit

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in a situation according to a topic a

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subject matter expertise that I want to

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be good at and ask them for help yeah I

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think that's wonderful and it's it's a

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great Segway I I was um recently uh last

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week I was in New York and I was at a a

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I don't know it was supposed to be a

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conference but it was like one of those

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things where people give you like two

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cents of value and try to get you to go

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you know to their site and luckily where

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I I really had that moment of asking for

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help and it was that it was that same

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shift for me in my head I I said why am

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I sitting in this thing when I already

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probably have the answers I need in my

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circle and I've always struggled with

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asking for help and so I literally was

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like I texted a couple people that I

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knew and I leaned over to the person

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that was there and I said I've got what

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I needed out here I left I went to the

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hotel got in the subway got to my car

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and drove and drove back home and it was

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crazy liberating for me because and

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scary at the same time asking for help

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because it is that unknown and you put a

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label on it like oh they're going to

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judge me or whatever so if there are

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some people out there listening to this

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that are they're struggling with this

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idea of help like being somebody that is

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you know Successful by all means

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everybody would look at and go like man

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how how do people get over that

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intimidation factor of asking somebody

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that is in that field for help like

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what's your best approach to getting to

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somebody in that

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manner well what a terrific question

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because I think there's some missing

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elements in hope uh and faith that the

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more more we give the more we receive

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and uh you and I have spoken in the past

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about the skills or the nuances that are

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not taught about implementing the more

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we give the more we receive and so what

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I think really helps people is to

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identify those skills uh in the values

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that uh Empower those skills so for me

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from the research that I've done in a

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religious philosophical theoretical and

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spiritual sense is that let's start with

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what the historical texts are are really

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referring to which is uh in the context

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of asking for help the more we give help

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the more we're

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given and so what skill do we utilize in

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order to elevate our awareness to all

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that we're given when we're giving help

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to everyone and so what I want to do is

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empower the nicest kindest most generous

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people the people that give help to

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everybody uh the empowerment of

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understanding if you're that person if

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you're mom or a teacher or a first

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responder or United States veteran

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people like these people who give a 100%

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uh help to

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everybody uh go ahead and realize that

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through

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gratitude through your capability of

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finding the light the love and the

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lessons in your giving you will be given

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even more and when you realize what

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you're given when you elevate that

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awareness through gratitude of what

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you're given and I want you to remind

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remember and recollect what you're a

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part of a unified abundant more than

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enough system of more than enough of

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everything for everyone and remind

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yourself that you're

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worthy of everything you're

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given and therefore you will receive it

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when you realize the value add of

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receiving it and your worth of receiving

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all that you're given and then beyond

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that in this value value ad system not

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the Zero Sum game that most people live

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in trading and negotiating giving and

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receiving and expectation of the more I

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give I more I receive you will be very

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confident to know that upon awareness of

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all that we're given and worthiness of

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receiving it comes the power of asking

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for more and so instead of giving

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everything and feeling shameful about

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receiving even more than everything we

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now we give more we're given more

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we're worthy of receiving more and we're

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confident of asking for more than more

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now we're giving more than more giv more

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than more receiving more than more and

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again asking for more than more than

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more and you see that everyone that

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endear this philosophy will end up with

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more than enough of everything for

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everyone and for me that's where the

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Nuance the skill set of gratitude to

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find the light the love and the lessons

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and everything that we give helps to

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facilitate not only the worthiness of

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receiving it but also the understanding

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of abundance the value ad of asking for

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more yeah and I think that's one of the

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the greatest things about like when I

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was in uh around you watching setting

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back and observing is that this natural

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like um magnetic thing that people have

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around you and and you you project that

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back like you get you literally give

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back the exact same thing and people are

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kind of drawn to that sort of sort of

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thing you know I'm just curious like was

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this something that did it come out of

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that moment with your wife or was this

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something that has kind of always been

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when you were little you felt this but

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then you kind of suppressed it but was

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there a catalyst that brought that out

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of you like where where did you unearth

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that ability to do

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that it's a paradigm shift so I think

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all of us in varying degrees at a

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Quantum level which is a genetic and

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energetic inheritance uh at a Quantum

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level we feel that throughout our lives

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now we all interfere with it in varying

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degrees and varying levels and we're

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most of us fall into the Trap as I did

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of trying to distinguish and I know you

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did this too Jason to distinguish the

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traumas uh whether it be past life

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traumas or childhood traumas or normal

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life traumas of almost dying or you know

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all the different things that have

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happened to all of us right instead of

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exploring in uh every day utilizing the

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majority of our time trying to explore

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what we actually are afraid of from

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those traumas or the uh effect of those

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traumas I've come up with a simple

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paradigm shift in solution that says

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there's an instant and obvious way to

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clear that interference or dissipate or

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dissolve that interference and it's the

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instant and obvious is the reaction to

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fear regardless of what fear is and why

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fear is so instead of saying you know I

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was molested when I was nine therefore

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I'm super angry at everybody and

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everything and when I'm put into this

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situation it evokes that anger and

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therefore I'm going to spend days weeks

13:44

months and years accelerating in the

13:47

wrong direction or interfering with my

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higher self or this feeling that you

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said did I have at a young age I simply

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say I'm angry or I'm offended or

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separative inferior Superior anxious

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frustrated guilty resentful worried any

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of these feelings and I say to myself hm

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this is an instant

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feeling uh it's obvious that I'm pissed

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off I really don't give a what

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childhood trauma caused the fear that's

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creating this interference of my higher

14:18

self so now I get completely logical and

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pragmatic and say every time I'm worried

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or angry or frustrated or offended it's

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instant and obvious I'm just going to

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work on not being that way and getting

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back to Center so that I can enjoy the

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omniscient all powerful and all knowing

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uh that I'm part and parcel to and I'm

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going to stop trying to discover

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sometimes something that's uh incapable

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of discovering uh instead I'm just going

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to go with the obvious in the instant my

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reaction to fear and dissipate the

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amount of time I spend in the reaction

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to fear and so for me that practice has

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evolved where I have have this uh

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attraction you can call it I also have a

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perception I also have a responsibility

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equating up into a an accountability in

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my life to be in control of it by being

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in control of the amount of time that I

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spend reacting to fear and I spend less

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time reacting to fear than most human

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beings therefore I have more information

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more energy more light more lessons and

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more love than most people that's great

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and I think everybody needs to rewind

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and listen to that again you know and

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and understand you know what Dave's

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putting out there is is exactly that

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like your your reliving past that was

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already predicted bringing it to the

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Future and you're expecting to get

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further and you're you're not you're

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just going to keep churning in your same

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crap and uh that's just that's just

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solid awesome advice um I know we're

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getting close to time but I do have one

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last question for you so um I'm just

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curious what was the best piece of

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advice that you never listened to

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whether it was your own or somebody

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else's yeah um I know this is going to

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be silly no but it is the best piece of

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advice it's

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uh that you don't know what you don't

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know and it was pertaining to me telling

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my father uh that I never would gain

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weight uh I I had difficulty gaining

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weight um and so I I had to eat at

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midnight when I played football in

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college I uh had had a diet up until

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recently of five or 6,000 calories a day

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and I couldn't understand uh why I

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started gaining weight but I just didn't

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listen to my dad when he said look you

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need to have control of your diet

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because eventually you will gain weight

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and what the lesson was that I just

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didn't listen to and it applied to being

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a father it applied to getting married

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it applied to gaining weight and it

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applies to other things that can't be

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explained until you get to experience it

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s and the lesson is hey buddy you don't

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know what you don't know and where it

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became most dangerous was with the

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people that I love the most uh because

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if you don't admit you don't know what

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you don't know the advice that you're

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going to give to the people that you

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love the most because you will be more

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afraid for those people than you are for

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yourself is going to be really shitty

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advice because it's going to be based

17:26

out of fear and until you reach a level

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of radical humility with your children

17:31

and your friends and your family that

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you love more than you may even love

17:37

yourself that you love them and care

17:38

about them until you realize you don't

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know what you don't know and from that

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position of radical humility give advice

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with the ignorance humility not the

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ignorant arrogance of fear telling our

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children you got to go to college you

17:53

got to get this job you got to PR no

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I don't know uh but what I can

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share with you is the experiences I've

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had and the lessons that I've derived

18:03

from those experiences so that maybe you

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can make better choices by learning from

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the dummy tax that I have paid from not

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knowing what I don't know and I wish I

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would have taken that advice from my

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father uh that hey buddy you don't know

18:18

what you don't know uh I would have

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saved myself uh a lot of years of

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unhealthy eating uh and gaining weight

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that I now at 56 by have under control

18:30

because I realize uh whether it becomes

18:33

to diet or parenting or marriage I just

18:36

don't know what I don't know and until I

18:38

experience it nobody can explain it to

18:40

me they can share their experiences in

18:43

their lessons but they can't explain to

18:45

me what it's like to be married what

18:46

it's like to have kids what it's like to

18:49

get older and lose your metabolism these

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are things that you just don't know and

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that's the lesson I'd love to share with

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everyone that's wonderful man you know

18:58

Dave just want to just take a moment and

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just you know just tell you thank you

19:02

for what you're doing I mean I really

19:03

appreciate the fact that you know I know

19:05

you're out there you're making TV shows

19:07

you're you're you're doing these meetups

19:09

you're you're out there inspiring people

19:12

to see the best of themselves and I

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think that what goes along with that is

19:17

just the genuine caring for another

19:20

human being and I just uh I know you

19:22

probably hear it a lot but I just want

19:23

to like say for me to you like how much

19:25

I appreciate that you're doing a hell of

19:27

a job of being a human um I know it's

19:29

not easy and some days even those of us

19:31

that feel like people think we have it

19:33

all together we have those rough days

19:34

too um and how normal it is to have

19:37

those days and I think um I just want to

19:40

just make sure that uh you're well aware

19:42

of that even on those days where you

19:44

feel like people aren't paying attention

19:46

um they are and you're doing an awesome

19:48

job and uh I just really uh celebrate

19:50

you and thank you for the impact you're

19:52

having and the hope that you're

19:53

providing to everybody else and uh I I

19:56

truly look forward to all the stuff in

19:57

the future

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yeah yeah I appreciate that and if I can

20:02

I I would love as you know to offer your

20:04

community my book sure I sign my book I

20:08

I I pay for the book I pay for shipping

20:10

uh there's absolutely no cost at all uh

20:13

if everyone would just email me directly

20:16

I do answer my own emails very cryptic

20:19

or templated uh if it's like hey I want

20:21

a book I have a templated response uh to

20:24

give you that but I do look at it I know

20:26

who you are and I read your message is

20:29

uh so if you can email me and put it in

20:31

the notes David dz.com David dz.com uh I

20:37

will tell you that that message from you

20:40

is well received because uh and I might

20:43

choke up talking about it but this was a

20:45

morning for me uh as I have my TV show

20:48

and I'm doing a Meetup and a meetings

20:51

and you know I have the VIP dinners and

20:54

then I'm going to Limitless with my lead

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and quick and goggin and you know a full

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Delta Center of people uh that a

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relative close to me is having a surgery

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uh on Friday and you talk about it's uh

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not easy sometimes yeah uh making those

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commitments and then having uh to

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prioritize and and I had to have a

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conversation with myself about hey I'm G

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to cancel everything if you need me and

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that's a difficult uh thing about

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believing uh in doing good and being

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there and prioritizing the right people

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and you know need needless to say uh I

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uh am grateful that the person uh

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received my offer uh to cancel

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everything and to be with them uh during

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their surgery and uh I think they value

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my mission over me being there and and

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that was Unconditional by them but it's

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not easy sometimes and you know there's

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a lot people that may not see the

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sincerity and 10% of the people are

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going to hate you no matter what and uh

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that's a great Epiphany to have because

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they don't bother me anymore because I

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know it's just math yeah uh but I

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appreciate the recognition of that I I I

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I do my best I learn lessons and I have

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fun and I want other people to do the

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same but sometimes it's hard and this

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was one of those mornings that it was

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hard so to uh hear you uh acknowledge

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that means a lot to me me and that's why

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you and I resonate with one another and

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you're part of my neighborhood and I'll

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come back whenever you need me and I'll

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keep inviting you not obligating you to

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come visit me we're going to be in tons

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of the Cities so hopefully I'll see you

22:39

in New York and make it worth your while

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on May 13th thank you so much David

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dz.com be more interested than

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interesting be kind to your future self

22:49

and do good deeds awesome thanks dve and

22:51

I will make sure that all of your uh

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links and everything are in show notes

22:54

and all stuff like that but guys

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seriously Reach Out get this book it's

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great it's wonderful um and you know

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like Dave said there's no strings

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attached it's just spreading a good so

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thanks Dave safe travels to you my

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friend and I will see you soon have a

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wonderful day

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man thank you you see

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