Burn It All Down to Rise Again: Sam Swanson on Embracing Change and Finding New Paths

In this powerful episode of the Beyond Hope Project podcast, Jason Tharp talks with Sam Swanson, a former hockey player whose career was unexpectedly cut short by multiple shoulder injuries. Rather than giving up, Sam chose to “burn it all down” and rebuild his life from the ground up. Discover how embracing change, staying curious, and redefining success led Sam to a new path in holistic health and personal growth. This episode is perfect for anyone feeling stuck or facing setbacks, offering practical insights on how to transform challenges into new beginnings.

“Sometimes it’s easier to burn it all down and start again—don’t be afraid to shift, even when everything seems to say you shouldn’t.” - Sam Swanson

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hey guys welcome back to the on Hope project podcast my name is Jason Tharp the champion of Hope and today I am uh

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I'm excited to talk to this guest I haven't seen Sam for a while um Sam and I met back at shockling anybody has

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listened to the episodes met Sam at the gym uh I know that the gym has become a plethora of uh content for me I've kind

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of into all of them um and Sam Sam uh Sam is a really really uh unique young

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person and if you've listened I love I love bringing young guests on because I'm inspired by young people that that

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are doing stuff in a different way and I don't know if that has anything to do with like my whole way I've went about

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like my medical stuff or whatever um but it's been throughout that Journey that I've like really found a it's really

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refeshing to see young people that are like that have it together uh maybe it's a little jealousy I wish that I had it

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together that much when I was that young uh but uh that are doing some really cool stuff so um Sam thank you so much

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for coming in here I appreciate you taking a time out today yeah this is huge I mean I walked in I didn't know

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what to expect I saw the back room there and I was like wow I'm nervous yeah you're all good it's all good there's nothing to be nervous about uh you know

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and so what we do to give you an idea of what uh to start this off yeah how we

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Define hopes a little different I want to give you the definition and then I have a question to follow so we Define hope as an impact point it's a place to

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begin uh we like to show people that there is a path and then you're going to go down that path and ultimately something's going to happen and you're

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going to feel like you failed yeah but really what you did was you just have a new beginning now and what we kind of do is we swoop back in to show you that

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like hey the path is still here maybe just moved a little bit Yeah so with a definition of Hope like that is there any point in your life that you would go

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back and give yourself that piece of Hope and what would it look like and can if you give us a little context for that

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uh I I think I have like a lot of them I think I think the ones that I would like the one that I would mention is one that

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I think I come back to like I want to say daily but a lot more

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than like I kind of ruminate on it and I think it was um it was a point when um I was in I

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went to a boarding school in Boston so I'm from Columbus originally grew up in Grove City went to you know the local

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schools that was kind of my my thing until I was about like you know I think 8th grade freshman I kind of moved away

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when I was a sophomore so I had taken this chance to you know have school and

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I played hockey so having the sport and the academic situation all all in one

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and I found a place Lawrence Academy and you know the Boston area and I was

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thinking like um all right this is good this seems to be good grounds for me to like build on and the first year I had

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play there was a lot of acclamation a lot of you know getting to know people being sound academically plus

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transferring like you know physical activity into like um almost like it was

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interesting because you have a skill to be like socially aware you have a skill

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to be you know um good in academic settings like with your mind and then

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there's another one where you want to be sound physically and performance and so

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Sports on one hand being separate from academics was like an experience which I had before and then tying academics

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tying social cohesion with my community um and then also tying in sports and

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this like you know Trifecta type of thing this triangle it was like a new thing for me so at first my my athletic

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performance was like not that great my first year then the second year I started to get a lot more notice from

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colleges like offers and this kind of stuff um and I hadn't converged on

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anything no one was like super sure about me yet but like I had a lot of interest and um yeah we had this

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tournament and uh I had had a shoulder surgery the the year before which at

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that point I just thought was pretty cool you know I was like my first shoulder surgery you know like getting kind of beat up like not like I didn't

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think anything of it and then you know right when I was gaining all this PO or

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this um you know sort of momentum per se in the the midpoint of that second year when I

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was like trying to you know I was finding my stride for say know pun intended um yeah I like went on this you

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know drive like kind of like trying to cut it in and the defender just kind of made like a last minute you know

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decision to stick his stick out and kind of took my feet out and I was going too fast where I sort of came up on the wall

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and instead of like I was kind of going in like this mhm so there was so much speed where like I didn't know how to

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respond so instead of going in with my head like this um which I probably could

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have just turned and went in with my shoulder like this but I panicked and I like stuck my hand up oh and um when I

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suck my hand up I redislocated and tore all the sutures of the previous surgery

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out and um you know after that happened I tried to come back and play and I just

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kep kept having chronic dislocations so that was probably a point where I look back on and I just I ran out of

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Hope sort of the summer after because I came back from that injury and I was just

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like I was not the same in terms of um my psychology around the sport yeah you

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know um I was I doubted myself I was more scared I thought if I had one more

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injury it would be you know it um and so

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yeah that's probably my the one of the most formative experiences where I'd be like I wish I had a little bit more um I

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guess Grace and understanding for that you know specific environment that I was

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putting myself in yeah thanks for sharing that's really cool and like so what was interesting about before we

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started recording you talked about like how you kind of you you have dabbled in a bunch of different things and I wonder

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like is there any part of that story that taught you that valuable lesson of like there's many has to kind of get to

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where you want to go yeah I think just being in a hard situation separated from

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your family uh at a younger age and coming into contact with like a physical

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pain and adversity situation like a surgery or um you know something that

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was like physically painful and Al also mentally painful um I think that led me

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to come to a conclusion of like all right well how do I make it better mhm and so

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making it better wasn't like a simple thing for me like oh you must rest more

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it wasn't like you know it wasn't um I guess uh It Wasn't So like um simple

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yeah so and of course I didn't want it to be simple because I wanted to do it right and whenever you do things right it seems that you have to do everything

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right and there's so many pieces and you got be so intricate about it so I was like okay so how do I heal the fastest

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from this injury because it's my second one I don't want to have another one so how do I get to that point and then it's

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like well how does the body heal and it's like well the body heals when it's not inflamed when it's not um scared

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when it's not you know all these factors right so then I went to doing research

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on nutrition and okay how do you limit inflammation uh you know in the body

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it's like well to heal I need to do this and to limit inflammation I need to cut out this so then it be kind of became

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like a little like lock and key mechanism of like you know I can do this but not this I can do this but not this

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and I kind of just started doing research based on a curiosity to heal from an injury so I could uh get back to

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a state of performance that was uh from my opinion optimal and I never got back

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to that point but I did have a seed planted um during that time which was

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this sort of critical analysis see a problem find a solution and be pretty

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Relentless in that process so it's like the point where I started to try to find out how to heal I pretty much became

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uninterested in like healing for the reason that I like kind of sought the

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information for it was just now a skill set that I would pass on to you know not

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just you know this specific you know uh thing but to relationships to you know

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you know really anything everything my perspective completely changed on on uh

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the world because to be safe you know people want to be safe like they want to

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feel safe they want to feel seen they want to be in these environments where they can be dynamic and not judged and

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you want to have health because obviously health is time and more time you have the more you can enjoy life and

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and these kind of things so like you can take it all the way back to like philosophy but when it comes to the

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dayto day is what when I kind of would like like I guess just like sharpen the

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tools by doing some sort of looking into a new thing yeah and I found the biohackers early on in like 2015

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probably when I was this when I was going through this process like you're been greenfields um and you know there's

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there's a whole plethora of these guys but at that time it was like Ben Greenfield yeah I like what does he do

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and that was a time when he was like you know getting started but that's kind of like where that started and then um that

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Curiosity for human medicine and healing never really stopped yeah and I just found like there's endless questions to

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be answer in medicine and I want to know yeah you know so do you think that that

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that quote unquote like that failure of your shoulder yeah isn't it amazing like

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how something that we perceive as a failure initially kind of starts that whole journey to something that

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ultimately like you could have went and become a professional hockey player you could have like all those things and

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like you ever reflect back on like the the wh ifs if you could like would you have been here like yeah I think think

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that the reason why I asked that is because there's so many adults like I mean grown-ups like me right old guys

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like me that sit back and they look back at those times when they were like at your age like and we go like my God I

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wish at that young age I had that kind of awareness yeah like where do you think that comes from did you have were you did you grow up around people that

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taught you to look for those angles or what was that spark that made you go like okay let's fix this and I can fix

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this um I think it was just being a curious kid like if I I've been pretty fascinated with this the last couple

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years like um all my grandparents are are gone you know like my grandmother's

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kind of passed early on and then my grandfather's kind of you know 10 years or so after so before they you know

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ended up going and and U my my uh dad's dad ended up passing away this past

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February and I asked him one of the the last conversation I had with him was like you

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know he was in a retirement home and he's kind half aware sort of thing you know like a little dementia you know had

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some Strokes like you know neurologically obviously he wasn't he wasn't at a 100 there um and you'd kind

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of they kind of just like the experience I had with my two grandparents um my grandfather specifically was that they

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were put into these super um I want to call them like uh you know it's a retirement home it's super like you know

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it's it's just like a it's a it's not a great place like there's not a lot of

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dnamic a lot like there's not a lot of simulation they kind of just sit there kind kind of rot there yeah and like um

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neither of the my grandparents were you know anywhere close to people that just like sat around and like just like watch

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TV yeah they were always like out and about and doing stuff and trying to get involved and going to have coffee with

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someone or going on going doing something going out to eat or whatever um and uh so anyway I uh they would be

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pretty non-responsive in these environments so it was like they're kind of a a product of their environment surprise and

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um I asked my grandfather I was like uh what what do you think of your grandkids

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like a blatant question because I think when you're younger you're kind of scared like what people are going to say yeah and I was like what did you think

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about all of us like personally like what do you think about my brother Ben me Sam you know uh he had five grandkids

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so I was like how do you rank us I like just rank us and he kind of r everybody

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and he's like ah you know he's not going to I'm worry about him sort of thing but he's going to be okay and he's like I

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don't he's like I don't know about you man you could be like one or you could be like five you could be two and he's

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like really thinking like all of a sudden like all this you know fogginess of his condition and where he was kind

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of disappeared and he was just like so clear on like who he knew I was cuz he'd watched me growing up for 20 25 years

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and he's like the one thing that made you different as a kid was that you um

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would always get into stuff You' get into like the drawer and take out like the candy and take out the knives and

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like you'd look at it you never really like destruct anything but you would just like look at it and mess around

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with it when I look back I'm like it's a fundamental character trait of like you

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have unique qualities that you know you possess best yeah you know and I think

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that's it's more reliable to find out what you know I have ideas of who I am

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but until I really get you know honest feedback from a community of people of like who I am and like what they think I

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am you know I don't need to take what they say as fact like okay yeah that person said I was X so I must be X it's

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like you have to kind of include yourself in the community of you know specifically maybe people who have

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raised you and be like give me an honest opinion and it seemed to align with like what I think and you ask like was there

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someone that was you know someone that instilled this curiosity in you and I would probably say no like you know

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there wasn't like a I think I was more deterred um from being curious about

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stuff than I was encouraged not in like a you know a deprecating way where I'm like suffocating for creativity as a

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child like my mother was a a school teacher and she had like incredible ability to be emotionally and

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cognitively empathetic like she's super good and um I never had a you know difficult experience that my parents are

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always very supportive but um you know I remember one time I was like wanting to be a

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skateboarder and uh I was like H you know like I was into like BMX and I liked the whole thing and uh uh yeah I

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was like skateboarding in the front little driveway there and I told my mom I wanted to be a skateboarder and she like looked at my neighbor which was

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another kind of like woman probably 10 years older than her and uh they kind of grinned at each other and they were like

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no that's probably not a good choice because of the

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lifestyle and I was like lifestyle and then at the time like I realized now they're talking about like you know

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being a skater you might do more drugs or smoke more weed or something like this um and I didn't understand these

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factors to be important I was just like I just think this is cool like why can't I chase this opportunity that I think

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I'm kind of good at and they just like kind of categorized it and been like no

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the chance of you succeeding the injury the lifestyle like you can't do that yeah so I was always in these areas

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where ID push things get feedback and be like all right that's not sustainable for me to push in my environment all

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change but I've always been very interested in finding real solutions to

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stuff and finding the truth and and and everything and it probably gets me into trouble because I just don't Converge on

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ideas like decision making and career opportunities and stuff like someone

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tells me something's like super great or you know this is how we do uh performance training um in the gym per

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se yeah you know like uh you could ask any of the coaches at Peak like we would

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have these Thursday meetings and and even things I would say to Alex you know

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he's like you just need to stick to the plan man like you just need to make sure

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that like we already have such a diverse perspective of performance at that at Peak and they're so great at what they

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do U but I would find something new and I'd be like this is wrong like this has to be wrong we can't do this anymore and

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I would like sneak it in with some clients and then you know someone would see it and be like dude what are you

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doing like that's you can't there's not you know vetted efficacy for that thing

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yet like you can't just do that and so yeah I'm definitely like from a career

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perspective if I don't have the ability to push boundaries or to test things

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where maybe that's research maybe that's like entrepreneurship but um yeah that's

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probably like the whole idea behind like what how I came to be like what I do

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yeah I think I think we have a lot in common where you know I remember you know um when I came back at it was after

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brain surgery and all stuff and I was finally cleared and I kind of came back to back into the class setting that peek

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I was working with just Alex at that time and I think you were like one of the like one of the coaches that I first

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started like kind of gravitating towards outside of like Rob uh who who is easy

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to gravitate towards right now same um super nice open Friendly dude what was really uh cool about and it's funny

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because it kind of goes like against by Alex saying I love the fact that you were doing different stuff yeah and you would like sit there and I remember like

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one of the things I thought you were really really great at was you could kind of see what I was doing wrong and

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knew that I wanted to be pushed but you do didn't do it in a way that made it feel like I couldn't do it and I kind of

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feel like that where we're Akin in that same sort of thing is that where after hearing

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that story is that you know when I was diagnosed it was you know they tell you what standard of care is yeah and I

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think you and I even talked about it back then I was like because I just started scratching the surface of I think diet is the key ketogenic and I

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was like talking about like all that stuff and and I started diving down that whole route and I kind of went against

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the grain of what people said was this is what you're supposed to do and I think that's where ultimately like you

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and I kind of really like had really deep conversations about that kind of stuff and where like when we reconnected

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here I was really excited to talk with you is because you know it's like I do see a lot of when I was your age I

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didn't have that I let me rephrase I wanted to do that yeah I didn't have The Bravery to do that yeah and I think that

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you know um in that process what what interesting is like I how much do you think in the discovery of like as you

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start digging down this route of Medicine like we talked about you're going into that world of you know medicine's a big umbrella there's a

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bunch of different definitions of it but how much do you think because I believe truthfully in can I'm involved in like a

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on cancer committee NRG it's a nation thing and on the board I'm the brain tumor Patient Advocate and I'm in the

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room with these amazing doctors that are it and what's interesting is it's a broad spectrum so you have the doctors

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that have older yeah and then you have the the young docks yeah and the breath of conversation

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is so much different yeah how much do you think in the future of medicine yeah do the young minds that are willing to

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do exactly what you're talking about yeah that think like well maybe and I want to add a second layer to it is how

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much do you think that this is a sticky situation I guess but like how much do you think like big farm and all that

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plays into that world of people advocating for themselves like I guess that's a that's a multi-layered question

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but like I really I really truly believe that there's some if a lot of old Minds move out of the

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way and accept some of the young thinking just because you guys are young doesn't mean that you

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don't you don't get I I think you guys are way more uh connected with who you are than what people my age are yeah I I

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mean like I just think it's I I just think it's like such a a good question because

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um I just feel like I I want to answer the question like right but like it's

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when you say things like you know our our generation is is just you know almost in a way like somewhat like uh

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better at uh being a daredevil yeah per se like or or pushing boundaries I I

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don't I don't think it's a it's a quality that um say the young docks I

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guess I'll answer your first question like um first of all are you saying that the breath of conversation or the

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breadth um uh or just the deepness the depth the consideration of the new doctors seems to be a little

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bit more profound like they're more open yeah 100% And then the older ones are kind of fixed and they're like this is how it goes this is this is Step One is

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this step two is this and it's been passed down through the generational kind of thing yeah I think um I think

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there's a saying I don't really I I forget how it goes but it's kind of like if you have an Old King I think it's a

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king I think that's the story but when the Old King doesn't you know pass on

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his role to the new king or to the younger Prince that's becoming the king

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um and he holds on to his power like too long you get um a lot of chaos and

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atrophy and you get a lot of um you get a lot of rotting you get a lot of fermentation you get a lot of

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Destruction it's like uh it's like when you hold a natural process back like

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when do you ever see a good result from that right so I know it's a leap to take

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consideration being open-mindedness it takes a lot of energy um and it especially takes a lot of energy because

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what you're basically saying is like are you sure you're not wrong right you know what I mean are you sure after all these years of being a physician and having

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the MD next to your name and you know making the money and having the Mercedes like you know and being the important

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person you are are you sure you're not wrong right and the answer is just like human nature like they're just going to

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be so less inclined to consider um New Perspective because it

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it threatens what they know fundamentally deep down if you take 15 seconds to consider any

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decision you've ever made in your life or every protocol you've ever done I've never done a protocol in my life except

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for like seeing the sunrise or something where I'm like I thought that was way better than it actually is yeah you know

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what I mean even working out like I I you know me doing it for the reasons I

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was doing it you know and and looking back in my career per se like I have not

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look back on anything where you know other than kindness and you know being respectful people and empathetic and

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just like the normal things that just you know Pro prolong um happiness with

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you know human nature per se um but anything that's more like personally guided like ego driven or or um

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protective it never ends that well right right and um so I think the newer

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Generations are a little bit more open to change because they get bored easily like it's

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not I don't think it's a it's a trait of being better or nicer it's not like we grew up with phones and technology and

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you ever talk to a kid that's you know between the ages of 11 and 16 you'll

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look at you for like 5 seconds and then it's like okay dude like I'm done with you like what where's the next thing and

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I think if you can somehow harness that um diversity or that um what you call

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like ADHD know uh theity of being being toally

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Thinkin a topic like medicine you're going to get a lot more um efficacy in

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research and you're also going to get um better conversations which just leads to

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better outcomes yeah um when it comes to something what was your second question I I've already Ram I think no I think

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the second part is like just how you're I think you guys have like your generation the younger generation

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especially you talk to younger kids too like even like you're talking about that 11 to 16y it I've made the argument with

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with in the group that I work on with that how much the older generation it

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sounds so bad like I'm aging everybody but you kind just to draw perspective right just is it because you're not

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saying they're wiser no which is like new right I'm just talking a way of thinking so to speak where it's like a a

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doctor will like for example I'll use my doctors because it's easier I canol my my first doc said I'd be dead in seven

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months yeah I remember I fired him immediately okay yeah second doc comes in who is older and he

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says well it's not one size fits all and I think your case is different okay two

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different ways of saying the same information they could have thought the same thing should have thought the same thing could have looked at the same facts but the the thing that I find

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really really compelling about the younger generation of doctors and I purposely got a new uh a new general Med

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doctor I picked somebody that was just out of school for a reason because what I find refreshing is that younger

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doctors always ask the patients what they want to do first okay instead of it

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going through a Playbook and I what I love about that Ino I brought because you can imagine me dude I came in with this guy like all right man you ready to

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get hit with what you're about to get with because I'm like I'm not GNA take this stuff I'm not going to take that stuff this is how I do this is this and

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this and it was like it was the first time I had a doctor go like awesome like thanks for bringing all and he's like

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hey can I get a copy of this because I want to like look into it for my own life you know and I think that's when I

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talk about that like where where do you think that stems from in that young minded medicine and how do you balance

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that between that bridge of like you said not getting a threat to a doctor says like hey you're old you don't get

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it like you know uh you're saying like how do you communicate to um or or I guess it's like how do you communicate

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to an older person that you want them to be more open yeah so sort of I mean if you what was the first question that you

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were so like I'm just I I guess I'd love to hear your perspective on how like is it a natural thing that you think has

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just happened with younger people to be more mindful of who you are yeah I I think I get what you're saying um I

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think the human element so to speak yeah yeah I think

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um I hate to say it but like I think if you want to be if you want to find out

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the truth in stuff if you want to

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um if you want to be as smart as you can be you

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simultaneously have to be as nice as you can be like you can't learn as much if

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you're not considerate yeah you have to consider you have to be a kind person to

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learn the most you can learn a lot by being you know um

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and not a you know not a very encouraging and nice and open person there's tons of people that do that and

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I would just say like they would make you know perhaps great researchers or

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they might make great um analysts but when you're when you're in patient care

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and you're someone that's dealing with life and death situations or just acute traumas and you know I need my appendix

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out or you know I'm having a baby and I want to do it the most natural way or um I have a GBM or something like that

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um someone who is nice is going to consider you as a person first they're going to see your your case and they're

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going to look at your notes and be like clearly you know a lot more about your situation than I do I might know more

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about you know the ins and outs of medicine but um without me combining

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what I know with you combining what you know we're going to get a very mediocre result and it's probably going to not really affect me as a doctor I might

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actually make more money if you suffer yes but um I think the newer Generations are a little bit more uh diverse they're

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not as myopic in their view of you know before maybe the standardized care is um especially in the western world like the

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US uh yeah it's it's the incentives are you know my job is to a perform X yeah

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it's not to you know now the job is per se more about being a social worker

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combined with a scientist combined with a psychologist clinician like the best guys are you know and even aware of you

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know natural natural phenomenon like nature and stuff sounds ridiculous like how how would in a physician be hip to

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uh things like um you know um electromagnetism and you know uh you

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know so much about medicine and so so much about what you learn in the books but you don't know about you know the

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simple like Resonance of you know natural F phenomenon in the environment which I think for me if I were to

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continue the question and say like okay then what is your ideal physician yeah it would be um and something I aspire to

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be perhaps one day is someone that um really understands how a human how

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their environment affects their health not everyone can separate themselves and move to El Salvador and live under the

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super nice UV son and have a great you know have their feet on the ground all the time like I get that you know that's

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just unrealistic but then how can I understand each mechanism that makes the modern environment um you know a sick

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producing uh environment and be like um yeah so instead of doing X you

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should do you know like tweaking that stuff first yeah because it's like if I don't know your environment then how can I treat you yeah um and I so if I'm GNA

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go to a doctor and they don't consider an environmental thing like you know um phone or house or you know how much sun

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do you get or you know what water do you drink or you know what you know like food is down the line yeah in my opinion

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um yeah so you know first be kind second be understanding of natural phenomenon

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like mammals in general like animals humans like we're all mammals like you know mammals specifically but um and

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then go into the literature that you learned in med school and apply that to an overall system most of the time you

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probably won't even see a need to interv with the stuff you learned in med school but unfortunately the insurance companies

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don't like that and the farmer companies don't like that and you don't get paid a lot unless you're a decentralized physician um operating in your own

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practice which means out of pocket usually for the you know for the consumer or the client or the patient

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and uh it's a whole different game yeah so there's a lot of different conversations around it but uh it's a

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good it's a good uh question you ask because you know there are differences yeah you said a couple things in there

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that you know the kind of circleing back can pull some stuff out of there that for people that are out there they're

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dealing with real stuff when they're going to a doctor you get frustrated stuff like that yeah and I'll say one of the things you said and you hit I use

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the exact phrase is when I meet new doctors now I make it very clear that

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there's only room for one captain on this team but my job is to bring the best me to meet the best knowledge they

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have yeah combined with the best Sciences out there to create what we will as a team make something that some

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said was impossible possible and I think that a lot of people don't realize that the power that they have to control that

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stuff because I think a lot of us we've been programmed by a lot of the doctors to that just because they went to the

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school they know all the ins and outs I'm ruthless with Physicians like yeah and it's and it's like I guess the

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reason why I want to bring that up is just like you know for anybody listening that that the the question I'll tell you

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about this that blows my mind more than anything that people say to me is like how did you you think to stand up to

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your first doctor in the way you did because I fired him before I even left the room it was like and that baffles me

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more than anything because it didn't even cross my mind to consider them

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after they said that it was just and I and I don't know what that is but um

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that that made that happen other than much like you when I was younger I was I was the defiant kit I was the like

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you're going to tell me I can't okay sure watch yeah you know and I think that kind of played off onto that part

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for me um to the to the bettering or to the detriment of your like it was just

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like the simple resistance was like U whether you know that's like the thing where it's like don't don't touch that

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hot flame and it's like I like the color of it and I want to touch it and it's

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like you touch it and you get hurt and they're like see like well I didn't care I knew I was probably going to get hurt

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but I wanted to feel it so I know I know now it's just like

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yeah I get what you're saying um but you're or you can going to continue with that yeah no I just I just

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I kind of wanted to Full Circle we're actually kind of running out of time here but like I wanted to like kind of loop it all back around and and just ask

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like kind of reflecting back on those the beginning if where you at now and

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knowing what you're get you're getting ready to go into we talked about you're getting ready to met at school and you're doing all the cool stuff to to do

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this and all the things that you've to pass you went down what do do you think would happen if you can go back in time and sit with Sam that was sitting there

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going like I just ripped my shoulder again and it keeps what do you think that he would say to you in Return

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of where you're at now uh hang up the skates yeah I would you know that's the

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thing I always look back on is like I was getting these signs from my

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environment from the universe from God whatever however you want to look at it and I was I was I had come into a place

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where my energy expended was not even close to being um you know coordinated with my

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energy um I guess uh received you know my results weren't matching my output

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and whenever that's happening there's a deficiency somewhere right like in anywhere it's like if I'm doing a lot of

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work for something and I'm not getting a lot of return should I work harder sometimes

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within a certain context but um you know like you're young and you got a new job and you're getting paid minimum wage and

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you're like man I literally have to do this stupidest stuff for the least amount of money and I just should be an

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influencer or something it's like I'm not talking about that kind of thing I'm talking about like these real signs of

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like okay I'm pretty good at what I do but for some reason like I'm working really hard and I'm doing all the right

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things and I'm getting terrible results like not even close to like what I think I should be do and I'm looking around my

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my peers and my other teammates and I'm like they're really not doing that much but they're they they seem to be

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progressing yeah um so I think it was just a lesson for me to to be

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like no matter what you want or think you want um in your life like if I look

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at myself now the wisdom piece of it is like I don't really know what I still

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want and people will try to tell you to find out what you want and what your

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passion is your passion is I think usually sequestered into

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your whoever you came into the world as like and um our ability to reconnect to

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that will probably you know help us and direct us into the the proper path but

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like um yeah I I resisted it to the point where I needed three different shoulder surgeries a face surgery uh so

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much pain so much rehab so much and never once that I was just like hey man like I could probably make it

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further but like what else in life is is there sort of thing yeah and if I would

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have come to that conclusion to accept fate a little bit easier given all the sence it's just dude don't wait so long

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to switch your lifestyle if things just intuitively aren't you know working out

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yeah you know so that was probably what I would say is just is don't be afraid to shift even when like all the things

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say like dude you've put all this time money energy into something like sometimes just easier to burn it all

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down and start again yeah yeah well that that is a perfect I mean the time flew

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by I just looked at the clock and I'm like holy crap like we are we totally done yeah we're done but uh you know man

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guys I just as you like hear the stories I just really you know the goal of like the beyondo project podcast is always

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just to draw a light where people can kind of hear themselves in our stories yeah you know and I think that um what I

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would encourage you all to do is like you're hearing Sam story you're you're understanding that you're not alone like we all are having this moment was just

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like he just I mean just explained in such a great way where we know that like our energy out in return is it's it's

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lacking and we want to make a shift we're too afraid to because it's unknown um but you know there's a lot of magic

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magic that happens in an unknown and that's where hope shows up but the thing is about Hope is that uh you know it'll

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do nothing for you if you don't take that first step you know it'll do amazing stuff for you but you got to be brave enough to step into it so um I

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will make sure that all of Sam's info is linked into the show notes and you can go find this uh this young man and

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follow along his journey as he as he steps into what I'm positive is going to be uh changing a lot of stuff in the

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world for the better for a lot of people and I look forward to keeping in touch with you um and uh rooting you on and I

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hope you know that uh if you ever need anything from me uh I got your back dude and happy to help in any way I can so uh

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super uh super grateful to be on this is awesome such a cool thing you're doing here and I appreciate your uh your time

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to connect today all right right on man well guys we hope you helped uh and make sure that if you know two people that know two people pass this on share this

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this is how we start this revolution I hope doesn't just start by me just talking into a mic and you listening and not taking action we need you to share

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too and help us uh wake people up to what's the magic of their life and uh

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we'll talk to you later see you

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